Post by Hoboz on Jul 13, 2010 21:00:27 GMT -5
Please, let's be civil and have the forum and community be able to talk about this. This is a serious issue. If this topic is to be remove I would prefer a reason presented openly to the community that we can agree on.
073090:
-Shifter is limited to Druid/Shifter only.
Disallowed Class Mixes:
Druid/Monk
Hoboz:
Simply put, this is unfair and I don't see why it's placed in.
From what I hear, the prime 'broken' attribute to the Shifter and Druid is vanilla true seeing, which on the Shifter the only possible way to get one is outsider form which must be taken by a feat and at the same time requires you to waste a feat on Great Wisdom since it's impossible to naturally get 25 wisdom from just racial bonus and lvling.
Kybshe:
Risen Lord enjoys a weapon with illegal properties, and itself has half a dozen other illegal immunities including but not limited to
-Immunity to critical hit
-Immunity to sneak attack
The forms cannot be fixed, or tweaked. It is all hard coded.
Hoboz:
From what I see on the NWN wikia, here are the Risen Lord advantages.
damage reduction 15/+3
damage immunities:
slashing 50%, piercing 50%
risen lord scythe +5
(cleave, whirlwind attack
vampiric regeneration +2)
the following immunities: disease, critical hits, death magic, level drain, ability drain, mind-affecting spells, paralysis, poison, and sneak attacks
But in exchange...you remove the hide which gives haste and +7 saves, and full weakness to positive. Along with the removal of some items. Bracer bonus never applies, so instant lost of power there, AC doesn't stack nor does any other ability bonuses, lack of spellcasting in form. The principle is alot like a mage, if prepared its effective, if not you should have a decent chance to win.
Now I'll admit he regains his ac natural to make up for it but it basically removes his offensive abilities for more defense. Also the Pale Master gets alot of the same bonuses and 'could' possible make something like the Risen Lord.
These were all the posts before the deletion for people to consider. This is everyone's say so I choose to keep this topic up.
073090:
-Shifter is limited to Druid/Shifter only.
Disallowed Class Mixes:
Druid/Monk
Hoboz:
Simply put, this is unfair and I don't see why it's placed in.
From what I hear, the prime 'broken' attribute to the Shifter and Druid is vanilla true seeing, which on the Shifter the only possible way to get one is outsider form which must be taken by a feat and at the same time requires you to waste a feat on Great Wisdom since it's impossible to naturally get 25 wisdom from just racial bonus and lvling.
Kybshe:
Risen Lord enjoys a weapon with illegal properties, and itself has half a dozen other illegal immunities including but not limited to
-Immunity to critical hit
-Immunity to sneak attack
The forms cannot be fixed, or tweaked. It is all hard coded.
Hoboz:
From what I see on the NWN wikia, here are the Risen Lord advantages.
damage reduction 15/+3
damage immunities:
slashing 50%, piercing 50%
risen lord scythe +5
(cleave, whirlwind attack
vampiric regeneration +2)
the following immunities: disease, critical hits, death magic, level drain, ability drain, mind-affecting spells, paralysis, poison, and sneak attacks
But in exchange...you remove the hide which gives haste and +7 saves, and full weakness to positive. Along with the removal of some items. Bracer bonus never applies, so instant lost of power there, AC doesn't stack nor does any other ability bonuses, lack of spellcasting in form. The principle is alot like a mage, if prepared its effective, if not you should have a decent chance to win.
Now I'll admit he regains his ac natural to make up for it but it basically removes his offensive abilities for more defense. Also the Pale Master gets alot of the same bonuses and 'could' possible make something like the Risen Lord.
These were all the posts before the deletion for people to consider. This is everyone's say so I choose to keep this topic up.
